from the annals of scooter libby...,
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progressive economic policy:
The former Clintonites are arguing that they are pro-growth progressives? What a gas.
update: oh, I see, liberals are supposed to support something so long as it claims the mantle of 'free trade', even if it's just a protectionist racket. Nothing like entering into a discussion with fistfuls of mud.
update update: Let's just compile the discussion as we intend to follow it when we have some time to read it all. Wouldn't it be nice if there were someplace to find threaded pingbacks for such peculiar events? No? Just me then...:
First Gene Sperling introduces himself and his book, The Pro-Growth Progressive. The title, you might observe, is rather a giveaway. Who is anti-growth? Or rather, if one were to suppose that the object of economics was the study and persuit of the maximal achievement of individual and collective human potential and accomplishment - or some similar assumption that economics was in fact at least still vaguely related to humanist traditions - then who would be anti-growth?
And thus began the clash of David v. Jason, dadadada dadadada dantdadah:
- Furman: 'growth and progressivism clash!'
- Sirota: economics is political dude.
- Furman: 'a progressive who does not care about growth and efficiency'.
- Sirota: 'did I really stop beating my wife? Sorry!'.
- Furman: 'Sirota's greatest mistake was not beating her harder!'.
Is it left to mere gods to arbitrate? Must we bugger off in deference to those so insufficiently most holy?
- James K. Galbraith: 'This may be my only intervention as I have to leave the country after reading the two of you.' His power is in your hands! Stronger than strong!
And then Furman says yadda yadda yadda and Gene agonizes and Binder jams his face in the grill screaming "FREE TRADE BEYOTCH!", and then Dean Baker shitcans Binder, CUZ THE FREE TRADE HAS NOW BEEN BROUGHT'N! shortly before Kevin Drum gets all up in their statistics and, like, whathafuck does he mean? Genuine progress? Liberals! And then L. Josh Bivens trots out the Stolper-Samuelson Theorem - oh yeah, you saw that coming - and then Furman responds by defending Wal-Mart's contributions to the blessed state of the day laborer. SHOCKER!
A 12 Ounce Mouse rules the razorwire guitar like Steve Albini. On the boob tube, not the blog. And James K Galbraith seems to end it with "I didn't misread you, you merely find it impossible to disagree with me, because I am so fucking gigantic."
I look forward to further additions to this luminous debate.
update: Galbraith's closing comments on free trade are worth reading, I might get around to reading his father's book sooner rather than later. Dean Baker's related post on domestic policy is, likewise, on par.
:: posted by buermann @ 2005-11-09 12:58:36 CST |
posted by sansfrontieres
@ 2005-11-09 21:23:29 | link